2007 All American Teams

NORCAL · Postby **NORCAL** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:53 pm

I saw where USC and LMU posted their members of the All American Team ... has anyone seen the entire list?

Doc · Postby **Doc** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:12 pm

NORCAL,

If you go to our" Latest News" page you will find a list of all of the All Americans. The information sent to us did not list the MVP and Coach of the Year for each of the three Divisions. As soon as this is sent to me I will post it as well.

Doc

Lefties4Ever · Postby **Lefties4Ever** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:54 am

Doc,

I am in total agreement with your argument for how the "All-Anything" selections should be made. Hard to imagine how the same people who nominated for the Cutino Award don't name one of the same nominees as a first team All-American. Seems illogical at best...

Happy Holidays!

Lefty

Lefties4Ever · Postby **Lefties4Ever** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:10 am

I would also wonder how Jeff Tyrell could have made anything less than first team? He had 50 goals to be the second leading scorer on the Cal team with 14 more than the next leading scorer and also played legitimate, tenacious defense. Why downgrade him from last year when he had another great season??? Seems that he was slighted big time and as the nomination process goes, possibly by his own coaching staff?

The whole process seems to be very poorly coordinated. First team in NCAAs gets so many first team All Americans, second in NCAA's so many and so on. Gives no regard to the real All Americans who deserve the award even though their team didn't finish high in NCAAs. What meaning does the award have if the true All Americans are passed over because of their finish in the overly-hyped and dubious rankings?

Bah, hum bug on the selection process. May they get coal in their stockings.

Trevor · Postby **Trevor** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:51 am

I thought it was really disappointing that George Naughton from Navy didn't make a string on the All-American team. He was the best goalie on the East Coast, broke a number of Navy school records and acquitted himself very nicely in the NCAA Tournament.

Mike Mulvey from Navy should also have been at least a second-team All-American. He was the most complete player I watched on the East Coast this year. His 75 goals also ranked him twelth nationally and well ahead of a number of people who made higher strings than him.

I think it is somewhat odd that Navy would only have two players on the All-American team with one player being on second team and another on Honorable Mention after the way they acquitted themselves at the NCAA Tournament. Their loss to Cal was 8-5. By comparison, USC lost the next day 8-6 with the sixth goal being a garbage one with eleven seconds left. I'm not saying Navy is better than USC but that they should have been treated more like a top-tier team on the ballots.

NORCAL · Postby **NORCAL** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:57 pm

Trevor wrote:I thought it was really disappointing that George Naughton from Navy didn't make a string on the All-American team. He was the best goalie on the East Coast, broke a number of Navy school records and acquitted himself very nicely in the NCAA Tournament.

Mike Mulvey from Navy should also have been at least a second-team All-American. He was the most complete player I watched on the East Coast this year. His 75 goals also ranked him twelth nationally and well ahead of a number of people who made higher strings than him.

I think it is somewhat odd that Navy would only have two players on the All-American team with one player being on second team and another on Honorable Mention after the way they acquitted themselves at the NCAA Tournament. Their loss to Cal was 8-5. By comparison, USC lost the next day 8-6 with the sixth goal being a garbage one with eleven seconds left. I'm not saying Navy is better than USC but that they should have been treated more like a top-tier team on the ballots.

Trevor,

I don't agree with you. While the selection process isn't perfect, water polo is more like other collegiate sports in that the top teams get the most players on the all American list. For example, Harrell, the leading passer in Division 1A college football by over 500 yards wasn't a Heisman finalist or even an all American. And BYU won the MWC convincingly and then defeated UCLA in their bowl game, but no one is suggesting they have more all Americans. It matters whom you play your games against, and how you do when you have an opportunity.

So while Navy had a nice season, the all American list shouldn't be based on one game. Navy only went 1-5 this season in their games against MPSF opponents, and in those 6 games they were outscored by 21 goals. Their only win came against UOP, which didn't qualify for the MPSF tournament. On top of that, the next best CWPA teams, St Francis, Princeton, Brown, Hopkins and Bucknell were 0-11, losing by an average of 7+ goals per game. The CWPA needs to be better than 1-16 before they can argue they deserve more respect.

On the other hand, a great argument could be made that Pepperdine should have had more than one player on the All american list. And their best overall player, Grant Miller and 2nd leading scorer didn't get any mention.

Finally, the coaches do have a big say in the naming of the all American team. I think they also know who on their team merited the greatest consideration.

Iwatchpolo · Postby **Iwatchpolo** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:04 am

I can

NORCAL · Postby **NORCAL** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:29 am

Iwatchpolo wrote:
And lastly, allow me a bit of sarcasm; I can use my fingers to do this. I counted to six on my fingers the number of Stanford players who made the list in some form or another, and then I used my fingers to count to seven the number of USC players who made the list. Did I miss something NORCAL (USC merited fewer all Americans than Stanford)?

Have a happy holiday season.

Mea culpa ... I withdrew the comment as it was petty. Note - I think it was actually 6 for USC as there appears to be a name listed twice.

Trevor · Postby **Trevor** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:38 am

[quote="Iwatchpolo"]
First of all, let me be the first on this message board (not even Trevor?) to offer congratulations to all of those outstanding young men who made the All American lists. They probably played their hearts out, not really caring what list it got them on, but because they loved the sport

haveanother · Postby **haveanother** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:48 pm

[quote="Lefties4Ever"]I would also wonder how Jeff Tyrell could have made anything less than first team? He had 50 goals to be the second leading scorer on the Cal team with 14 more than the next leading scorer and also played legitimate, tenacious defense. Why downgrade him from last year when he had another great season??? Seems that he was slighted big time and as the nomination process goes, possibly by his own coaching staff?

The whole process seems to be very poorly coordinated. First team in NCAAs gets so many first team All Americans, second in NCAA's so many and so on. Gives no regard to the real All Americans who deserve the award even though their team didn't finish high in NCAAs. What meaning does the award have if the true All Americans are passed over because of their finish in the overly-hyped and dubious rankings?

Bah, hum bug on the selection process. May they get coal in their stockings.[/quote]

haveanother · Postby **haveanother** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:02 pm

Hey Lefties,
Please describe your critiques and opinions carefully and with the facts. It's unfortunate that you continue to butcher many out of jealousy and ignorance. It's very clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. Happy New Year!

Lefties4Ever · Postby **Lefties4Ever** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:12 pm

Oh and how is that oh worldly one?

Lefties4Ever · Postby **Lefties4Ever** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:14 pm

http://www.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/cal/sports/m-wpolo/auto_pdf/cumulative-stats

haveanother · Postby **haveanother** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:29 pm

[quote="Lefties4Ever"][url]http://www.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/cal/sports/m-wpolo/auto_pdf/cumulative-stats[/url][/quote]

Lefty, you are still missing the point which you will continue to do in the present and future. Who will be the next Bruin football coach? Good day.

Lefties4Ever · Postby **Lefties4Ever** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:19 am

May I also join Trevor in congratulating ALL who made the list. Mea culpa on my part for not doing so first. It is not my intent to say bad things about any player (and in re-reading my prior posts, nor did I). It is not without a lot of effort on all their parts to be AA. It is however Hadanother, not out of the question to query how the selection process works and doesn't work. You are quick to jump to conclusions without making your own point(s). Would you care to comment on the process or are you just going to snipe again? The list is made up mostly of how teams finished in NCAAs and the CWPA standings and is thus inherently flawed. That is not a smack against any player who made the list. It is a smack against how the AA list is arrived at. Some would respond by saying it's not a perfect system. I would say I would agree with Doc's approach as to how the All Anything teams should be chosen. Otherwise, deserving players will get skipped over in spite of their tremendous efforts.

Congratulations to each and every player and may they have a joyous New Year.

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